Not shown in the table of results are the dense centers of patterns obtained with #4 shot compared to # 8 and #2 shot. . However, killing ducks at long range remained the objective of many duck hunters. Save $500.02 SKU: 3226743 . *** RARE *** Winchester Model 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN limited production run that combines the pre-64 Model 12 with a 12 ga. Magnum 30" barrel, factory production 3" Magnum, with a factory Simmons Vent Rib on an upgraded wood stock! The silhouette provides a precise aiming point. MAKE OFFER. Western brought out their Super-X 2-3/4 and 3-inch shotshells in 1921. As far as early 2 pins, remember there were a few made as early as 1919, standard and "graded" model 12's (ie) "Black Diamaonds" they had the longer checkered forearm. Bore is excellent. Spend your time enjoying the gun you want, not getting frustrated with a complex website that makes gun buying hard. The slide handle of early duck guns was round with 18 circular grooves. It has a fiber optic front sight which is not origina, SOLD Ser no 1949422, Mfg 1962, 3-Pin Vent Rib, Full, 30" Barrel, Signed by M Dubber, Who I beleive was a colt engraver, 14 1/2" Lop to Winchester Red Vented Pad, Comes with case, Excel, Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga 2 3/4" 28" full choke barrel,Simmons vent rib,serial #683559,fancy French Walnut checkered stocks with great color and figure,jeweled bolt and lifter,ex, WINCHESTER MODEL 12 HEAVY DUCK 12GA 3" MAGNUM. the ventilated rib is by simmons gin works. We limited our shooting to 25 yards or less and seldom missed. Smith brand, by the A.H. Fox Company of Philadelphia, by Parker, and by Ithaca. But the charm of idle jump-shooting is far too potent.. There was no need to shoot ducks at 60 yards. The duck gun version of the Model 12, introduced in 1935, was a natural consequence of duck hunters in charge of Winchester. The ducks shot by me in the accompanying photograph were taken with Skeet boring and trap loads of #7 1/2-shot. Rudy was well known with model 12' s and pre-64 model 70's now as far a Felix, he's in a better place now. The shotgun featured here was made in 1976 and is in stellar condition. The locked breech bolts of both guns have little perceptible play when the rear of the bolt is pressed from the side. The slide handle was given a larger diameter, flat bottom and 14 grooves on each side of the handle about 1947. Small depression in the magazine tube, as shown in pictures. 12 Gauge, This is a very nice Winchester Model 12 Trap pump action shotgun in 12 gauge. Very good condition overall. That is why I have never used one of my duck guns for duck hunting. I decided to test the patterning of the five loads detailed in the accompanying table. Winchester Model 12 Skeet Gun 12 gauge with 25" Solid Rib Barrel - 12 GA: 0 5d 7h 6m 17240921. restrictions refer to: http://www.copyright.gov/laws/ - doublegunshop.com will not monitor nor will they be held liable for copyright violations presented on the BBS which is an open and un-moderated public forum. Both guns were disassembled, cleaned and lightly oiled before testing. First of all was the end of management by people who were not familiar or sympathetic with the gun and ammunition business. The Olins were avid duck hunters. Winchester was bankrupt and went into receivership in January 1931. The point is the model 12 evolved. 1937 2pin vent rib offerd, all skeet grade guns offerd with solid or plain barrels. The finishes and rib are 100% Winchester and in great condi, Used Winchester Model 12 20 Gauge 26" barrel WS-1choked skeet Cutts compensator with restriction inserts good condition Buyer pays shipping Millers Gun Center Located in New, Winchester Model 12 pump action 12ga shotgun. Askins concludes How far are we going to be able to kill ducks? The fact that the Winchester proof marks are now 'off set', caused me to believe the gun may have been returned to the factory for the rib installation. The new value of a WINCHESTER MODEL 12 shotgun has fallen ($937.31) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $484.80 . 1 9-16" DAC, 1 9-16" DAH, 14 1/2, Very good plus overall condition. This combination, which averaged 83.6% at 40 yards, averaged 44.2% at 60 yards! The gun weighed 8 1/2 pounds with its 32-inch Full choke barrel. Can you help me out? In reading Stadt's statements on page 109 of the latest version of this book, I don't see where he is too sure of his statements. 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The standard 12-gauge duck load in 1921 was a 2 3/4-inch shell holding 3 3/4-drams equivalent powder and 1 1/4-ounces of shot. Click here for more information. Thats like spending 12 days straight day and night. - Top Rated Plus - opens in a new window or tab, - eBay Money Back Guarantee - opens in a new window or tab. Epic 22 Pocket Pistol: The Beretta 71 Jaguar. Pictures are of the item listed. Winchester ~ Model 12 Trap ~ Pump Action Shotgun ~ 12 Gauge. Helping out a person with 3378 posts who if they spent 5min. Dolphin717, please give us a page reference in Stadt where he mentions Simmons sending Model 12s with ribs back to Winchester for finishing, and/or marketing. When it was. This shotg, FOR SALE IS A VERY NICE VINTAGE WINCHESTER MODEL 12, 12GA GA SHOTGUN. Introduced in 20 gauge in 1912, 16 and 12 gauge guns followed in 1914. The Model 12 duck guns are still as suitable for waterfowl passes, fox trails or the habitat of the wary gobbler as they were when the duck hunters at Winchester surprised the market in 1935. Cred, Ser no 510553, Mfg 1928 , Numbers Match, 30" Donut Post Vent Rib that is stamped Imp Cyl but has been relined and is Mod, 2nd barrel is 30" Donut Post Vent Rib stamped full but is Mod, Stamp, This Winchester Model 12 was manufactured in 1955 and is in good condition for its age. Item. The help you need is to get a life. We join Buckingham in his ducking skiff as he is poled through the bayou by Ab, his black guide. winchester model 12 description: for sale is a very nice vintage winchester model 12, 12ga ga shotgun. This was a result of the Watrous report, which recommended that many of the slow-selling options be discontinued following the war. Winchester Model 12 in 16 ga with a 26" barrel with a full choke. Remington's Nylon 66 semi-automatic .22 LR rifles have grown from 1950s bargain buys to 21st century collectors darlings. I fired 10 patterns for each of the five test loads in each of the two duck guns, for a total of 100 patterns. Winchester proof steel replaced nickel steel in the manufacture of all Winchester firearms in the early 1930s. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Winchester Model 12 12 ga 30 in Barrel 2 3/4" Full vent rib Barrel NICE! Shooting the Model 12 Duck Gun I own two Model 12 duck guns. I put one of those BIG soft foam risers on the comb and shot it that way for years. or Rudy Dozenrod out of Wyndemere, S.D. John Olin initiated an analysis of Winchesters commercial line in 1942. Some will even go 85% to 90%, but rarely. Keith, who obtained Askins Ithaca 10 magnum double upon Askins death, achieved 93% patterns with two ounces of copper-plated#3 shot in the big double. Thereafter, a staggering number of variations were produced during the 1912-1980 period. Consider the possibility of a hang-fire, an occasional event in 1912, in a gun without the slide lock feature. This likely was the last mention of solid ribs in Winchester literature. The duck gun was discontinued in 1963. I used to club trap targets with it. Most books say they did not. Although the quality of the rib will be the same as the original Winchester, the only way a Simmons rib looks OK on a Model 12 is if they DON'T put their silly name down the side of the rib. The extra weight is meant to soak up the recoil of what once was thought to be a very hard-kicking load. Get Guns.com offers and news!! , The Winchester Model 12 Y series was introduced in 1972 and made until about 1984. So a shooter really doesnt need a rib. The gun looked to be in excellent condition except some nitwit had inlayed a white plastic diamond in the stock at some point. seller description. The number of pellet holes was divided by the average number of pellets in the load to produce the pattern percentage. Winchester Model 1300 Speed Pump - 12 GA $395.00: 0 $395.00 5d 15h 14m The new Model 12 duck gun was introduced to long-range waterfowl hunters habituated to heavy double shotguns chambered for 3-inch shells. 30 Barrel. Winchester cautiously claimed 70 to 75% pattern in a 30 inch circle at 40 yards.. Beautiful grain pattern and very tight hand checkering on the stock . Beautifully figured wood is solid with only light handling marks and marks on bo, This Winchester Model 12 started life in 1924 and has been customized by unknown individual at some point. Nickel and ivory sight beads on the aftermarket Simmons rib, with choke marked full and 2 3/4 inch chamber. I also have seen a few in my day where the solid rib was removed and actually sent a customers Black Diamond to Simmons back in the seventies to put a vent rib on a solid rib gun. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. Stock has a Monte Carlo cheekpiece and European pistol grip with a right hand palm swell. Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. Rib Boat, Winchester Winchester Rifle Parts, 12 in Frame 12 in Wheel Electric Bikes, 12 Gauge Barrels, Youth Football Rib Protector . In the 1950's Winchester's costs were losing pace with what they were ablle to sell their products for. Could it be that the intended rough usage led to lack of care in the fitting of parts of early duck guns? very accurate description and fast delivery, HOCH Reloading Single Cavity Mold c56 309170 .309 170gr nose pour NICE (#334593408927), Arrived quickly, well packaged, item is as described. It won't be a collector but a shooter and should draw some attention. I am tempted to stop off awhile and call. Manufactured in 1959. Thanks= Re-Up- forgot the offset marks on a factory ribbed gun- two of my 5 pre-1950 M12's have the factory solid rib, and the 1948 Pigeon Trap has the "Old Milled Rib" with the sandblast bulled top and the "Duck-Billed" rib extension. Come join the discussion about targets, clays, hunting, gunsmithing, gear reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! It looks like it is in very good shape. Winchester proof steel is chrome-molybdenum steel. He spent many years as firearms editor for Outdoor Life and later Field and Stream, as well as shotgun editor for the American Rifleman. This is not John Waynes revolver it is a modern work of art! Elmer Keith instructs:For the man who wants greater range and a bigger shot load for duck or goose shooting, the Model 12 Winchester is in a class by itself [with] the long 3 load. Nevertheless, the 1 7/8-ounce load appeared in the mid-50s and now a full two ounces of shot can be had in the 12 magnum. The rib wasn't offered until 1954 according to the Dave Riffle Model 12 book so it wasn't originally produced at the Winchester Factory. A forum community dedicated to Trap shooting enthusiasts. The surge of zooming pinions [wings]! George Watrous, a longtime Winchester employee with many talents, was commissioned to investigate the good and bad points of Winchesters pre-war line and make suggestions for postwar improvement. 26" Vent Rib Barrels Choked SKEET. Alex, we don't have enough info to give you an informed opinion. Johnson designed the Models 52 and 61 rimfire rifles and the Model 54 centerfire rifle. For example, only about 300 Super Fox and 800 of the Ithaca Magnum 10 doubles went into hunters hands during the period. When I went to the university in a different town I worked for another gun shop that was an authorized Winchester Repair Center. Numbers match on barrel and receiver. Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. These are rare, a line can be seen along the dounut post on both sides. Manufactured in 1959. I hunker down and blaze away. It was John Olin who inspired Westerns revolutionary Super-Xshotshell in 1921. FORE ARM HAS A PEICE OF WOOD MI, This is an all original 1962 made Winchester Model 12 in the harder to find 16 Gauge. The first was helping the gunsmiths. I have often wondered how well my guns would pattern with modern ammunition. Free shipping for many products! This test determines if excessive peening of the bolt locking cut in the receiver has occurred. Recent 3 1/2-inch 12-gauge shells will create dangerous pressure in the 3-inch duck gun chamber. I wish I had them back! Its even harder to find a 2-barrel set 16 gauge. prior written consent of the Copyright holder. However, Winchester and his succeeding family members successfully managed Winchester Repeating Arms Company from 1866 to 1919. The earliest gun they found with a 2-pin rib has a serial number of 2037xx with a date of June 30th, 1919. DAC 1 1/2"&n, FRO YOUR VIEWING IS A EXCEPTIONALY NICE MODEL 12 IN 3' HEAVY DUCK. There is a moderate mark as shown in the photograph. Although acquired many years apart, the two duck guns are of nearly the same vintages, 1952 and 1953. Duck hunters bought 12-gauge doubles with 3-inch chambers to use the new Super-X magnum load, the Super Twelve as it was soon called. and/or Simmons, left in the "white", and sent to the other. Franklin and his two sons John M. Olin and Spencer T. Olin were the managers of Olin Industries and Western Cartridge Company in 1931. Buy 1955 Winchester Model 12 20 GA Simmons Rib AA+ Wood: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pump Action Shotguns Shotguns Guns & Firearms All: 974012213. The perimeter of the disc was then marked and the enclosed pellet holes counted. - Straight Sighting Plane - Floating Vent rib action - Extra Strong Silver soldered posts Gun Type Over/Under w/RBSingle Barrel w/RB Save my name and email to use for future comments. His Super Fox 12 gauge magnum double averaged 83.7% (two-barrel average) of 1 3/8ounces of shot under the same conditions. I rebuilt all of the trigger assemble with all new parts just reusing the guard. , Excellent Winchester Model 12 12 gauge Deluxe Skeet gun with factory issued Cutts Compensator. I worked in two gun shops when I was in college. Manufactured in 1959. Westerns innovation was progressive-burning powder that deformed fewer shot during acceleration. Its been debated over the years if the solid rib model 12 barrel were silver brazed or fused with heat? Simmons Gun Specialties rib has been added to barrel. He worked with another Winchester researcher. Stay in the know. Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga Deluxe GI#: 102228842 Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga 2 3/4" 28" full choke barrel,Simmons vent rib,serial #683559,fancy French Walnut checkered stocks with great color and figure,jeweled bolt and lifter,ex .Click for more info Seller: First Stop Gun Area Code: 605 $1,750.00 Both guns have 30-inch Full choke barrels inscribed FOR SUPER SPEED & SUPER-X 3 IN. The bores are bright with no pitting. Number 8 and 2 shot provided wider and more even patterns with no center thickening. The takedown joints are tight (See the instructions in Madis book if your Model 12 has a loose take-down joint). 1 Winchester Model 70 Ultra Grade Featherweight 270 Win. In those good old days of the 1960s the ducks flew just above the cattails and shots were plentiful. My 1951 Winchester Ammunition Handbook gives a comparison of 17 to 11 feet at 60 yards. The lead slug added weight but more importantly maintained the balance point at the takedown joint. I sold 41 model 12's and 21's at a gun auction in Wichita Kansas to accommodate the move. Its failure to release on discharge made it impossible to shoot doubles [at skeet] with this particular sample. The staff concluded, Mechanically, the sample was not as good as other guns of the same model. Noted were machine marks on the breech bolt, wood not closely fitted, primers struck off center and sharp edges at the chamber.
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