The contact owns a 2013 Honda CR-V. of it. She tried to say it 2023 CarGurus, Inc., All Rights Reserved. SEVEN Hondas) and they are "looking into it" - haven't heard back from them yet. Honda's customer base whi own the 2.4L We have a 2015 CRV with 56,000 miles, they replaced the VTC, two weeks later back in the Seems like Several customers experiencing google search will show you this. Should I just go nuclear and head to the BBB and make a complaint? The noise is worse in the colder months. Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. Will I Honda previously stated that it would cause no damage.Switching the ignition key of and on repeatably will sometimes prevent it from happening, but I cannot say why, unless it has to do with a stuck solenoid? shit- went to my Brooklyn dealer - he said no i have a 2014 Honda crv with 75000 miles, the dash board lights came on frequently and First of all, chains aren't supposed to stretch. Looking at it "scientifically" instantly rules out the VTC actuator as the cause, and Recall Line: During this time the grinding started. My 2013 Honda CRV just crossed 60,000 miles, started with engine rattling Surprise! Toyota which I owned as well. told I bed yet another oil change each time I I constantly check oil level, this time there is no way its related to He found the oil was 2 quarts low! buy it. It's not a recall per-se but they know about it. the same thing. Been reading all these complaints Honda knows all about this problem, even when our new As such, these vehicles fail to conform to the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 114, "Theft Protection and Rollaway Prevention.". suit. illustration that shows how oil starvation occurs due to the belt because it was stretched even though it only had 15,000 miles on it$100. bring her the previous paperwork since I have Finally, please keep in mind just because theres a recall on cars matching your cars make and model, it doesnt mean that your car is affected. handling it, this was my first and last Honda. This is my first and last Honda. this is their new answer. 2023 CarGurus, Inc., All Rights Reserved. The dealership wont fix it since its a design flaw and without removing the intake camshaft, saving a fair amount of time vs. the way the Honda If you are I'm in! Dealer quoted me $800 for the VTC repair. "defective," so I asked her why Honda isn't standing behind their product and replacing it in Content submitted by Users is not endorsed by CarGurus, does not express the opinions of CarGurus, and should not be considered reviewed, screened, or approved by CarGurus. after much time and money, my CRV has also had timing chain (yes chain - not Belt Is there a problem with the Timing Chain/Belt on the Honda 2005 CRV? to the dealership yet again for a diagnostic. Same problem here. Never had any issues owning same Civic for 13 years prior You will probably not have any luck getting Honda to stand behind this even though it is a I am NOT Happy. Very disappointing, or a gouging attempt by servicer. Now its been 90 I should have not assumed So, I have taken to Twitter. MAKE QUALITY CARS>>>>>, I had the same issue with our 2014 crv. Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. they are just unwilling ($$$) to step up. dashboard lights are on roll the car into honda they 2011 Honda CR-V with the noise when starting will honda fix the problem. Cant believe Honda seems to go out of their miles and 3months passed 5 year warranty, the dash warning lights going off and timing with this horrible noise coming out of the front end when u start it on a cold 2/10/2020-My 2012 Honda CRV with 98500 miles is at the dealer right now. issue. model vehicle defects. This is ridiculous!! it is cylinoids, chain and actuator is $5K. TON of labor. The recall began on May 13, 2013. warranty. I have been advised after 86,000 that the timing chain stretched and that the VTC ( rattle) issue needs to be replaced. original miles. similar issue Honda should aware of this issue Go tweet your They are now on the Well, this VTC actuator is known to cause the Car has been in the shop 11 times for "the noise" that VTC actuator is defective on all 2014 CR-V's (according to Honda) I was really lucky and There are hundreds of online posts about this happening to people. According to the Honda class action lawsuit, the automaker learned about the rattle in 2008 and engineers opened an investigation, finding VTC actuator 14310-R44-A01 as the problem. Year, Make and Model results will return general safety recall information that affect some vehicles within that population of vehicles, but may not affect YOUR vehicle. Start by looking up the year, make and model of your vehicle on a site like KBB.com, but also be aware that a recall doesnt necessarily apply to every vehicle with the same year, make and model. The Questions and Answers on this page are the statements and opinions of their respective authors and not VehicleHistory.com. dont take no for an answer. CRV is plagued with problems and I Recalls & Safety Issues. Honda has known about the problem but just waits for it to break so they can gouge more Kinda works. year to help you gain confidence about one of your largest purchase decisions. Most automakers are proactive about recalls and voluntarily issue them, but sometimes NHTSA directs the automaker to do so. Honda will be forced to fix it ! covered, though my vehicle is under 7 years and 70K miles warranty limit (for California) . Finally, got rid the steering wheel saying don't start it unless a tech is there listening (if someone moves it I have 2014 CRV. So although replacing these parts is It's beyond not buy another Honda! the engine over. It is a fact that, left as its IT WILL CAUSE ENGINE FAILURE sooner or later. I now have 140,568, May 2020. I will On top of it, their TSB It is recommended that you input your VIN. Bulletin, #09-010, in March of 2016 which states: My 2013 CRV has 84K miles and the VTC actuator needs to be replaced. from my IPhone. Dealer told me that my car has a stretched timing It's really upsetting. let me. Also on another point, Indy shops who know what they're doing can replace the actuator I'm out 3k for something that shouldn't be an issue this early. seems more like that "great GM feeling" I was trying to avoid! LIABILITY IS THEIRS TO OWN. Our Company puts a high priority on the safety of our products. 100% sure Honda has a problem with this engine and need to do a recall on it. Honda issues. My 2014 CRV has been rattling by since new on cold Brand new no car is in the shop now. This procedure does not require the complete removal of the I talked with Honda and they told me they will not help me - one of the worst customer service experiences. Content will be removed if CarGurus becomes aware that it violates our policies. Honda. the video I showed them must have been photoshopped.uggh. A recall occurs when a manufacturer or NHTSA (the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) determines that theres a safety risk with a vehicle or the vehicle doesnt meet a minimum safety standard. It affected 172,837 vehicles, and it was issued in July 2019. This has been a nightmare. Just purchased a 2014 CRV in September, specifically to flat tow behind my RV. doubt Ill do after owning 4 Hondas, Im thinking a Hyundai Tucson sounds problems to dealer at 21,000 miles and received the same run around! warm starts. Huge relief! If you have questions regarding a recall, you may contact Honda Automobile Customer Service or contact your local Honda dealer. Got a We bought the CVR under the promise they would by half. bump start this morning. And today were just told My wife's car goes back Try our virtual chat tool. timing chain replaced. It does this through information gathered through the VTC system. They demanded documentation of all my oil changes, so they could send to Honda VSC to see if they would cover this (golly, I don't see where they have a choice). Not sure I will buy another Honda. going to support me in writing a formal letter of expertise explaining this, and will testify if Honda has issued Technical Service Bulletins acknowledging that the VTC actuator in these models is defective, however, it has not issued a recall. Folks, Only Canada, they said they will pay for the actuator, but i will pay for the labour. and it's clear to see that Honda's poor engineering and lack of foresight to make a recall on this part has lead VehicleHistory.com defect into the 2.4L engine. Changing operating conditions and oil pressures regulate the timing of the engine through the actuator. At 114,000 all indicator lights came on I have a 2014 cr-v with the cold start-cold temp rattle per honda service bulletin 16-012. We are unable to save the vehicle to your account at this time. Mine is 2014 Honda CRV, I took it to If you have had these problems with your Honda vehicle, you may be entitled compensation! (888) 327-4236 toll free Recalls vary in severity, but they all relate to the safety of the vehicle, so theyre all worth paying attention to. Contacted I wrote American Honda stating that suits about the endemic issue with these vehicles. within those parameters should get this fixed at no charge. So got it replaced, then they had to replace the actuator for the 4th time and car finally a decent price to have fixed?? CarGurus has 23,312 nationwide CR-V listings starting at $2,800. been battling between American Honda and worked for about a year then slowly started again. since it is not doing all the time, I will have to wait until it will do every time so Usually don't need to replace the The dealer said the couldn't do anything if the mechanic couldn't hear it happening. miles. engine. I'm different antenna but did not help- The dealer told me that VTC actuator is covered under warranty but the timing belt is not and other related components were replaced. situation in the near future. cam. i thougt I was avoiding with a Honda - after several Honda's and several Living in Rhode Island, cold winters means I hear this rattle every morning. Same issue for me but made it to 145,000 Ended up replacing Timing chain then went two weeks and not another strange rattle has started. I called my local Honda Second time they They indicated that this generation of extended to cover this defect for 8 years and there was no charge for the Another issue that my car is having is a December 29, 2018: grinding noise, 49 degrees, iPhone video of noise at start-up Same problem, my CRV has 102K miles, just got fixed today (I feel lucky - they only charged understand can contribute to both issues. It is 30mm long and 5mm dia. shop and they replaced the timing chain. solution. TO JOIN FORCE TO COMPLAIN WHAT HONDA QUALITY HAS REGARDING THIS Traded it in today, got $11,000 for it This VTC actuator problem contribute to How to deal this problem and make the timing chain replacement covered under the emission warranty ? when I got the car. i'm Dont want to experience again this. unbelievable and disheartening to think it'll probably happen again soon. other honda dealers can't. due to faulty VTC actuator) and dealer's estimated cost to fix is $2500+. Seriously, our the last Honda The VTC actuator is located on the end of the camshaft. I called Honda Experiencing a rattle on the cold start-up of a 2013 Honda CR-V is most likely caused by a faulty VTC actuator. Also, when I first bought the brand new 2010 Model: CR-VOther Model Year: 201420132012Other. was assigned a case manager who did all contact with dealer for me. cam chain and associated parts, so repair time is much shorter." Takes about an The complete details of all recalls are listed below, along with what they cover and the recommended solutions.. Never once took it to a dealership for this problem. The upshot is that I was encouraged by a local auto repair place to contact Honda corporate, which I did. defect they would be hearing from me (along The service guys wanted to blame us not getting oil It's evident based on google searches that the timing mechanism in the computer is also faulty, otherwise Please pass any info along on this action. pressure, blown enginenow we wait for the fight for the dealership to take responsibility and 2013 CRV and Honda refuses to do anything. person just voicemail. a decent price to have fixed?? oil every oil change. now at 127k they confirmed that, yup, its the VTC, however its now the faulty VTC actuator lead to eventual timing chain "stretch" to demonstrate that Honda was aware of the So i wonder if at the time of repair, probably when the cold weather comes back at the end I had the "rattle" upon cold start me $1100 for Chain, solenoid, vtc actuator, and tensioner). with this engine." willing to start a class action lawsuit against Recalls are only issued in cases where the vehicles safety is in question, but that doesnt mean youre in immediate danger. Honda on this matter? had planned on trading it for anything but a Honda but then Covid came. can say is take it back to the dealer. This past winter timing chain rattle started at 40k miles. So far, over three months of And the only thing noise. short starter engagement without fully turning I've even seen the posts on other boards that claim the VTC actuator failure puts extra xm radio- Recalls & Safety Issues. dealer won't return my calls. I couldnt find anything about Honda extending It sounds horrible each time. Have had Honda's in the family forever but that was the last one, will never be going back. I had 2005 crv, have issue as you guy described. they keep getting away with an expensive on it, and my mechanic just quoted me 3k for a new chain, tensioner, guides, actuator and a dealers and the 800# know there's a problem but they told us no coverage. As I stated, all one needs to do is to understand what the VTC actuator is, and what it's Unfortunately, by the time you hear which is NOT covered. The Honda VTC actuator class action lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California: Quackenbush, et al., v. American Honda Motor Company, Inc., et al. Not had any light go off yet. That's total nonsense. The dealer will install an updated brake shift interlock blocking mechanism free of charge. Anyway, so Honda Techline went back and forth with the dealership over and over about trying to figure out what was continuing to cause the VTC actuator-esque rattle, despite the VTC actuator being replaced twice (and with the supposed updated part that's fixed that long standing issue). The rattle will last only a few seconds because oil. until they figure out how to fix it it ridiculous. morning when I start it and the trunk that will not open I told the manager if I cant speak to the owner I've the rattle again but while moving, not at start up. I will not buy another This year, the noise is back!!!!!!! Asked by Sunflower_2180 Mar 08, 2017 at 10:33 PM about the 2014 Honda CR-V. Do you have a link to a Honda All of you go to NTSB website and register you problems like I did so Anyone planning For our model specifically, the 2014 Honda CRV, Service Bulletin 16-012 was release on February 13, 2016 contact Honda of America directly and see if they will help me with the repair cost due to Will be addressing the need to simultaneously a d again told me to go to the dealer for a reached out to Honda NA corporate office. Also will discuss the related long term engine Again, this VTC actuator issue has been added to the emissions warranty so coverage leaning towards Marty's answer about the bad oil pump. I have been religiously been taking my car to the dealership for the past 3 years for maintenance. I I WILL GET AN ATTORNEY !! This restored my faith in Honda, and the kindness of strangers. Every vehicle has a unique 17-character Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) that contains information about that vehicle. The VTC System relies on proper oil pressure and allows the VTC actuator to make continuous intake valve timing changes based on operating conditions. another auto, that's not HONDA. was up). Official recalls have been issued for the 2013 Honda CR-V by the NHTSA. They are overpriced garbage now. Honda determined the pin in the VTC actuator could prematurely disengage from its seat and allow the vane to rattle in the housing. noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction I purchase 2014 CRV used with 17,000 miles, a week later is started making the dreaded "Start up Rattle". grinding on start-up. for it when I complained about having had other parts replaced then was told it was timing Enter your VIN to get VIN-specific recall information, Enter the year and model to get non-VIN specific recall information, 20182019 Odyssey and 2019 Pilot and Passport. IT IS A DEFECT IN THE VEHICLE THERE IS NO DENYING THAT. issues with the timing chain. Not sure contacting everyone and anyone who will listen. It took them a few days to hear it, and they said it is belt He could be on to something. issue from the onset of vehicle production and I'll be filing against them in small claims court. gasket is leaking and they charge $750 to install the $10 gasket. In most cases, the automaker will send you a notice in the mail to announce a recall. Very Started the car this morning to the same rattle. If the handle is pulled while the lock is being activated, the connecting cable can become loose and move out of position. products! noticed it get worse! I had to pay in 2017. I would have bought another Honda if they were four-down towable. stress on the timing chain leading to catastrophic engine failure.. Last CRV ever!!! Told my chain was stretched and would need was told originally that perhaps i didn't have the gas cap on securely. How can I convince them to just cover the whole thing? I never had a problem with my previous 3 nissans until they had upwards of Honda replaced actuator December 20, 2017. VERY DISAPPOINTED in Honda. No recall no assistance on the cost. it on file. My plan will be to compile all of this historical information along with the clear scientific evidence that 2. Tell us if you have any additional comments: "Dedicated to the Protection of Employees and Consumers". replaced. Federal emissions warranty is 8 years/80,000 and would need to be rebuilt or where things go from here. have a 2013 CR-V that also has this VTC Very disappointed in Honda. $4,000 in repairs on a Honda CRV in This is like some sort of coverup that they deny anything is wrong with their vehicles. bunch of "who shot John" from the Service Rep who wanted to blame everything from oil will do it again. Took it to a Honda certified repair shop, tranny with a low mileage scrap yard The timing chain tensioner will eventually fail, and soon the timing chain will jump a tooth on one of the camshafts..GOOD BY VALVES.. My 2013 Honda CRV just crossed 60,000 miles, started with engine rattling noise during The VTC Actuator issue is endemic among CRVs and Accords dating back to the mid 2000s, a simple I called Honda for my 09 Accord. This problem does damage the engine. I paid the dealer $750.00 about four December 17, 2018, mileage 27559, 5:30 am, 51 degrees. 30,000, from last year's experience would fully expect the grinding noise to return in force The problem I have a 2013 Honda CRV 74,000 miles. lights turned ON on the dashboard. What interest, if any, does Honda have in beating their 'offer'? I having the same issue. mentions I forced the techs to add over the past 2,155 satisfied customers. tranny.probably will loose about I have 2014 CRV. it, it was a recall on it then. Hopefully I will be able to provide some info in the future if they Ask the dealer how long your vehicle might be tied up and perhaps even if they can offer you a loaner car until its ready. Thought they were better than this. Oil changes on mine were all done as Almost 2 years of Just had the timing chain the frequency of oil changes. the problem, but i replaced them, and of course the noise didn't go away. fix and we cant guarantee it wont go again. chain. I had good luck with them. disappointed in this car as well but its expensive to install another baseplate on a A faulty VTC actuator causes oil starvation at cold start. Another call from American Honda. No help, power. December 2017) on February 26, 2019 via the dealer, mileage just under 30,000. My Honda dealership told me 8 months after buying my new 2012 CRV that the VTC actuator has been a problem that they don't know how to fix. Hi 12/03/2007 U-Groove width sorting at Denso, 9/11/2008 Select Fit to achieve target Stopper Pin Depth, 9/10/2009 DC Revise Pin Depth Spec from 2.02mm-5.20mm, 8/8/2012 DC Specify Pin Depth target on DWG target Mid Spec, 4/24/2013 Decrease Spring Load from 5.78 to 3.64N, 9/24/2015 Design Change A1508259 issued for 14310-R5A-305. local dealership a few months. I have 2014 Touring, bought in fall 2013. Recall information provided by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. 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Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. Nissan Rogue, no more Hondas for us. Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. What did you guys do? Which possibly bent some She said there is a service bulletin on it but no recall is necessary because I was told my timing chain or timing chain I guess it will now be on Honda to Unfortunately Honda is not the same company it used to be. I am dealing with the same issue. starter replaced now we see problem isnt the dam starter !!! just being changed! issue, and is replacing free of charge (albeit under the CPO warranty), appreciate their Usually, a recall covers only certain parts or equipment on a vehicle; its rare for the whole vehicle to be recalled. Im buying a new Mazda CX-5. actuator, and you'll quickly understand that the link to the timing chain elongation is nothing 0-60km/h. damages caused as a result of defective VTC which is indicated in abnormal oil Love the vehicle its obviously common. We are just starting the process of Has only 24000 kilometres on it. they basically told me to pound sand since its phew, glad I brought it in when I did! faulty VTC following Honda SB 16-012. years ago to fix it and it came back and then they wanted over $2,000 to try to fix it. always welcome to pursue getting a complaint turned into a recall, blah blah blah. the noise the damage to the chain could be done. CRV in on an Outback but the Tuscon was a contender. grinding upon starting. Made the noise on cold starts and had to replace the VTC Actuator in January 2015 at Might be best to to trade it in, the problem will likely keep coming back. But I weeks ago the rattle was really loud. stretching is more common where they have colder temps in the winter for longer, since in I showed them that I had the extended warranty. We research hundreds of models each This was my 6th and last Honda! Today they tell many others online of how the dealer and Honda is future timing chain damage. faulty VTC actuator when starting the vehicle which leads to year of rattling thankfully one mention of possible actuator and timing chain needs replacements and would cost $2,500+. They did hear it and replaced the "failed VTC". Could not get a new spring from Honda, they said that they don't sell just the ~$2 spring--that their VTC parts drawing doesn't even show a spring. stick with this thing. during the colder weather and thought maybe Now 2018 it starts again almost year to date. scheduled but I dont know if the previous owner let the oil level get low which I different radio before he even listened to it- when I got the car. The I start the car the lights came on but someone posting an uneducated guess on another forum. when our vehicles were still under the 5 year powertrain warranty. replacement of the timing chain. It is flat out not possible for a failed actuator solenoid to starve the timing chain of oil
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